Not Good Enough!
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- Published on Monday, 16 July 2012 18:35
Sunshine residents are losing patience with the rate of progress on converting the Sunvale PS site into a public park. SunRRA has written to Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu, the Minister for Education Martin Dixon, the Minister for Planning Matthew Guy and Bernie Finn MLC asking them to donate half of the land to the Sunshine community, given that Brimbank Council has made an offer to buy the other half.The community has earmarked the entire 2ha site for much needed public open space. However Council's position from the beginning was that half of the site should instead be used for medium density housing AND THIS HAS NOT CHANGED. Consequently half of the site is zoned Residential 1. There is no community mandate for this.
SunRRA has written to the ministers pointing out “The proximity of the Sunvale site to the town centre and future high rise apartments coupled with a lack of open space in and around the town centre increases the dire consequences of the health and well being of future residents if proper planning of this open space is not successful.”
We have reaffirmed our position: “SunRRA believes that the success of integrating higher density housing within the Sunshine town centre hinges on local amenities the most important being quality open space and parkland that can accommodate the projected population growth beyond 2030.”
SunRRA is asking the Liberal state government to invest in the health of our community, which is currently among the worst in the state.
Sunshine residents have done their part. In May 2012 BCC's administrators resolved to try to buy that part of the site zoned Public Use. The decision to buy the land recognises two things:
- Sunshine is deficient in the provision of public open space
- high density residential development has already been approved for the Sunshine CBD
"Council's current position is that the highest and best use of that part of the site currently zoned for public use is as public open space."
"Currently", indeed.
Council has not asked the state government to gift the other half of the site. In fact Council is silent on advocating on behalf of Sunshine residents on this. Councils lame excuse that the part zoned residential valuation would be too expensive is correct but does not abdicate Councils responsibility to lobby the state government to donate this portion to the people of Sunshine.
NEARLY THREE YEARS after the school closed, there is still nothing to suggest the site will be used for a park. Council has made an offer for part of the site, but we still don't know if the offer has been accepted.
SunRRA recognises that Sunvale needs a political solution from the highest levels of government, because if left to standard planning processes, the site would be used for housing. Standard planning processes cannot hold sway in this matter. A political decision must be made.
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Chad daddy wrote:
Tim wrote:
SunRRA is an illegitimate organisation that 90% of Sunshine residents and rate payers neither know nor care about. It's filled with pro-greens, anti- labor and anti- liberal closet racists. Furthermore, they are extremely selfish and excessively ungrateful. They feel that they're entitled to everything. When millions of people around the world are dying of poverty, these dolebludgers are complaining about every tiny little fault they see. Good riddance. Talk about first world problems, these low- lives are the EPITOME of first world problem complainers.
What a crappy statement. If it wasnd by People like SunRRA and others pointing out to those useless nohopers in Parliament what is missing in the west we would for shure have third world standards here. Know nothing wrote:
Tim A wrote:
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
SunRRA. What does it mean ,Do something yourself , then if that is it ,SunRRA is not needed .Are they not for the better of Sunshine.Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
SunRRA is an illegitimate organisation that 90% of Sunshine residents and rate payers neither know nor care about. It's filled with pro-greens, anti- labor and anti- liberal closet racists. Furthermore, they are extremely selfish and excessively ungrateful. They feel that they're entitled to everything. When millions of people around the world are dying of poverty, these dolebludgers are complaining about every tiny little fault they see. Good riddance. Talk about first world problems, these low- lives are the EPITOME of first world problem complainers.
Tim wrote:
SunRRA is an illegitimate organisation that 90% of Sunshine residents and rate payers neither know nor care about. It's filled with pro-greens, anti- labor and anti- liberal closet racists. Furthermore, they are extremely selfish and excessively ungrateful. They feel that they're entitled to everything. When millions of people around the world are dying of poverty, these dolebludgers are complaining about every tiny little fault they see. Good riddance. Talk about first world problems, these low- lives are the EPITOME of first world problem complainers.
Know nothing wrote:
Tim A wrote:
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
SunRRA. What does it mean ,Do something yourself , then if that is it ,SunRRA is not needed .Are they not for the better of Sunshine.Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
SunRRA is an illegitimate organisation that 90% of Sunshine residents and rate payers neither know nor care about. It's filled with pro-greens, anti- labor and anti- liberal closet racists. Furthermore, they are extremely selfish and excessively ungrateful. They feel that they're entitled to everything. When millions of people around the world are dying of poverty, these dolebludgers are complaining about every tiny little fault they see. Good riddance. Talk about first world problems, these low- lives are the EPITOME of first world problem complainers.
It's true that if people generally got off their arses and did something about all the bullshit happening in Brimbank, there would be no need for SunRRA.
So what are we waiting for?
So what are we waiting for?
Know nothing wrote:
Tim A wrote:
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
SunRRA. What does it mean ,Do something yourself , then if that is it ,SunRRA is not needed .Are they not for the better of Sunshine. Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
I think your reasoning is just wrong but you make mistakes that that every government department continues to make.
1) Population stats are ALWAYS out of date. - Evidence - State govt comprehensively failed to predict growth in Melbourne population over the last 5 years!! I wont bother to point you at the evidence for that - but a casual glance at the rate of suburb growth and pressure on infrastructure will give you the idea.
2) Population numbers are highly volatile - see above - the bureau of stats was saying one thing the evidence on the ground was saying another. It is not possible to predict growth of population with ANY certainty. People insist on having children for quite irrational reasons - baby bonuses - weather - power blackouts - etc.... etc...
3) The bureau of stat figures are wildly inaccurate - I know - I once collected them
4) It is not how many migrants arrive but how many children those migrants have - (refugees in particular will tend to have higher than average reproduction rates because they now feel safe (see point 2) as well as often for cultural reasons.
5) The cost of children only kicks in as a deterrent in very particular circumstances usually to do with highly stable environment.
In short - the figures of the BCC are wrong. My street was full of retirees 4 years ago - now it is full of kids under 16!
1) Population stats are ALWAYS out of date. - Evidence - State govt comprehensively failed to predict growth in Melbourne population over the last 5 years!! I wont bother to point you at the evidence for that - but a casual glance at the rate of suburb growth and pressure on infrastructure will give you the idea.
2) Population numbers are highly volatile - see above - the bureau of stats was saying one thing the evidence on the ground was saying another. It is not possible to predict growth of population with ANY certainty. People insist on having children for quite irrational reasons - baby bonuses - weather - power blackouts - etc.... etc...
3) The bureau of stat figures are wildly inaccurate - I know - I once collected them
4) It is not how many migrants arrive but how many children those migrants have - (refugees in particular will tend to have higher than average reproduction rates because they now feel safe (see point 2) as well as often for cultural reasons.
5) The cost of children only kicks in as a deterrent in very particular circumstances usually to do with highly stable environment.
In short - the figures of the BCC are wrong. My street was full of retirees 4 years ago - now it is full of kids under 16!
Just about every population statistics and predictions report expects a declining youth population and an increasing elderly population. This makes sense as the costs of living and raising children are so high and today's society doesn't place much emphasis on procreation as it used to. Furthermore, due to population pressures creating a stigma towards immigration into the country, the government clearly is reducing the refugee and migrant intake. Even if a couple hundred migrants settle into sunshine, it wouldn't tip the population scale significantly as you may think.
I remember reading Brimbank councils youth plan a while back and it said that youths make up around IIRC 14% of the entire municipality's population.
I think I've said enough. I rest my case
I remember reading Brimbank councils youth plan a while back and it said that youths make up around IIRC 14% of the entire municipality's population.
I think I've said enough. I rest my case
teen wrote:
Err you obviously haven't been watching the immigration figures for Brimbank.
The argument that we need a skate park because of a growing youth population is completely false.
Unless you've been living under a rock, you will know and have personally seen that the current trend in population is that we're having an increasing aging population, meaning that there will be more old people and less young.
That said, if anything, a park would be best for this site.
Unless you've been living under a rock, you will know and have personally seen that the current trend in population is that we're having an increasing aging population, meaning that there will be more old people and less young.
That said, if anything, a park would be best for this site.
Err you obviously haven't been watching the immigration figures for Brimbank.
The argument that we need a skate park because of a growing youth population is completely false.
Unless you've been living under a rock, you will know and have personally seen that the current trend in population is that we're having an increasing aging population, meaning that there will be more old people and less young.
That said, if anything, a park would be best for this site.
Unless you've been living under a rock, you will know and have personally seen that the current trend in population is that we're having an increasing aging population, meaning that there will be more old people and less young.
That said, if anything, a park would be best for this site.
Tim A wrote:
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
What are you talking about!! Get off your arse and do something yourself. Or do you expect someone else always to be wiping your bum. u
This is from the boarder's site
"Mitchelzombie242 : Went here yesterday, I cant believe how shit the park is.. the mini ramp is so freaking steep and the taller extension of the mini ramp has no coping and all the concrete is broken and has massive gaps in it do NOT go here!!! the only good thing is that there is hardly anyone here "
MMMMM Definitely need new facilities.
"Mitchelzombie242 : Went here yesterday, I cant believe how shit the park is.. the mini ramp is so freaking steep and the taller extension of the mini ramp has no coping and all the concrete is broken and has massive gaps in it do NOT go here!!! the only good thing is that there is hardly anyone here "
MMMMM Definitely need new facilities.
The kids of Sunshine deserve a skate park - the changing demographics mean there will be more teenagers - with less to do. We want to encourage them to get outside in the open air and get some exercise, what better way than a skate park. Appropriately located, good design. Check here for some examples.
Sunvale for board riders!
Sunvale for board riders!
Tim A wrote:
Keep the hope up Tim. SunRRA hasn't gone awol - hope you come to our bi-monthly meetings and can lend a hand or support our fight for
Sunvale.
Someone in the community has to because the Sunvale fight has gone a bit quiet of late. Lets ramp it up again!
Never fear we are still here offering you this site to post on and air your grips. Keep it up.
SunRRA is meeting with the new CEO and the new Chair and will have plenty to report to our members in the coming weeks.
Tim I hope you're member, no use bagging sunrra if you do nothing to support the organisation. Too few want all the results but are not willing to put in the effort to get them. Although I understand in the past local ALP members and Brimbank councillors would submit anyone in the community who 'caused trouble' to punitive punishment, vilifying and subjecting these residents to personal vendetta's - hence no one spoke up for decades.
Feel the freedom Tim ....... you have a voice .....use it to add to the others to fight for better services, improved infrastructure and accountability from our local, state and federal representatives!
Hope to meet you soon and look forward to your helping hand.
Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
Keep the hope up Tim. SunRRA hasn't gone awol - hope you come to our bi-monthly meetings and can lend a hand or support our fight for
Sunvale.
Someone in the community has to because the Sunvale fight has gone a bit quiet of late. Lets ramp it up again!
Never fear we are still here offering you this site to post on and air your grips. Keep it up.
SunRRA is meeting with the new CEO and the new Chair and will have plenty to report to our members in the coming weeks.
Tim I hope you're member, no use bagging sunrra if you do nothing to support the organisation. Too few want all the results but are not willing to put in the effort to get them. Although I understand in the past local ALP members and Brimbank councillors would submit anyone in the community who 'caused trouble' to punitive punishment, vilifying and subjecting these residents to personal vendetta's - hence no one spoke up for decades.
Feel the freedom Tim ....... you have a voice .....use it to add to the others to fight for better services, improved infrastructure and accountability from our local, state and federal representatives!
Hope to meet you soon and look forward to your helping hand.
Yes it seems that SunRAA of today,only goes at political issues
and not the things around Sunshine in general
and not the things around Sunshine in general
It seems that SunRRA is starting to fill this spot
It seems like they have been caught up in a big
drought,have they dried up.
It seems like they have been caught up in a big
drought,have they dried up.
More Betrayal
Its about time the Brimbank Council started working on our behalf. Everyone in the state is recognizing the failure of the Baillieu and ALP government to address the issues of Sunshine and their willingness to sell off public land for private profit. Education land doesn't belong to the land developers it belongs to us - the tax payers. And since these guys can't be trusted to provide us with services we need we have to take charge ourselves. The Sunshine community wants Sunvale for public open space.
Its about time the Brimbank Council started working on our behalf. Everyone in the state is recognizing the failure of the Baillieu and ALP government to address the issues of Sunshine and their willingness to sell off public land for private profit. Education land doesn't belong to the land developers it belongs to us - the tax payers. And since these guys can't be trusted to provide us with services we need we have to take charge ourselves. The Sunshine community wants Sunvale for public open space.
Sunvale Rising wrote:
then open space is a must. The foundry rd project has no open space and should put into the Sunvale site, if they can not give any at the site being built.
The council should not have let the project start as no planing has been started to a better road programs.Hampshire rd and Devonshire rd is a joke
and the more buildings the worse it will become. That is one reason that I go to Highpoint and city west much easy to get there.
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Mr John Watson
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Peter Lewinsky
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Dear Administrators,
The Sunvale site has now been vacant for a number of years. The local community believes that Central Sunshine is inadequately serviced by open space and that the new high density developments in the surrounding area mean that more more green space is vital. We believe that the developers owe an obligation to local community and must be require to pay their share of community infrastructure costs. We ask that the Council Administrators actively seek to develop the Sunvale site as a community park.
It is a total joke that this site is not tighed up already .If the top end of Hampshire rd is to go highrisehousing and lower rise to the other sideMr John Watson
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Peter Lewinsky
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Jane Nathan
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Dear Administrators,
The Sunvale site has now been vacant for a number of years. The local community believes that Central Sunshine is inadequately serviced by open space and that the new high density developments in the surrounding area mean that more more green space is vital. We believe that the developers owe an obligation to local community and must be require to pay their share of community infrastructure costs. We ask that the Council Administrators actively seek to develop the Sunvale site as a community park.
then open space is a must. The foundry rd project has no open space and should put into the Sunvale site, if they can not give any at the site being built.
The council should not have let the project start as no planing has been started to a better road programs.Hampshire rd and Devonshire rd is a joke
and the more buildings the worse it will become. That is one reason that I go to Highpoint and city west much easy to get there.
Start writing to the Administrators
Mr John Watson
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Peter Lewinsky
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Jane Nathan
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Dear Administrators,
The Sunvale site has now been vacant for a number of years. The local community believes that Central Sunshine is inadequately serviced by open space and that the new high density developments in the surrounding area mean that more more green space is vital. We believe that the developers owe an obligation to local community and must be require to pay their share of community infrastructure costs. We ask that the Council Administrators actively seek to develop the Sunvale site as a community park.
Mr John Watson
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Peter Lewinsky
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Jane Nathan
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Dear Administrators,
The Sunvale site has now been vacant for a number of years. The local community believes that Central Sunshine is inadequately serviced by open space and that the new high density developments in the surrounding area mean that more more green space is vital. We believe that the developers owe an obligation to local community and must be require to pay their share of community infrastructure costs. We ask that the Council Administrators actively seek to develop the Sunvale site as a community park.
Central Sunshine is really short on open space and what with the new high density developments proposed more green space is vital.Perhaps we could persuade the developers to pay for a proper development on Sunvale.
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