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#14286
Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 3 Months ago  
This thread discusses the Content article: Fix the TRAINS

I understand the need for more trains but have we seen the state of St.Albans Main Intersection??
It takes me 40 min each morning to get over the tracks from my house. This has been a serious problem there for years and years and has just gotten worse as the line is extended to Sydenham. I cannot understand why this hasnt been fixed!
The local MP will be getting no votes from me as he has done NOTHING about this. There is no excuse for making everyday hard working peoples lives HELL on the roads. He has also used the excuses that the government have not given any funding to the rail roads.... LOAD OF CRAP!
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#14288
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 3 Months ago  
Yes Olga! Finally someone who speaks up! I have also waited forever for trains to pass by!! i understand the need to let trains go by but the wait is disgusting!! in this day and age and with a growing population what has the local mp done?? Nothing but eat tax and rate payers money!! It is his responibility to do something and as usual they just hand ball the problem and ignore it, hoping it will go away!! WHY? is it because St.Albans residents dont deserve an overpass or underground road?? or is it because its not Toorak?? Hopefully if more people complain something will be done?!? Make the buggers work for their pay! thats what i say!!
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#14291
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 3 Months ago  
Sorry guys your lazy bloody MP,s
dont do anythink
we have a great double out here
Telmo & George
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#14303
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 3 Months ago  
If you don't like sitting in traffic, why don't you get a bus to the train station, then get a train to where you're going?

You can't have everything, and I'd hardly call Main Rd a priority for grade separation.
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#14304
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 3 Months ago  
How come the country bumpkins got the new trains. I want the new purple trains on the Sydenham line to fix crowding NOT SUNBURY!!

Taylors Rd is a waste of money grade seperating. Do Furlong Rd its busier.
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Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/motorists-sued-by-transport-firms

"MELBOURNE motorists are being targeted by the city's public transport operators to pay the financial penalties imposed on them by the State Government for delays to their timetables.

"Four times between May last year and earlier this month, the transport operators have unsuccessfully sued motorists for damages."


Connex should be stripped of the right to run our public transport. They should never have been given the contract in the first place, given what a shambles they have made of public transport in other parts of the world.
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#16908
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 1 Month ago  
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/too-many-passengers-too-few-trains

Twelve out of 15 lines are now exceeding the passenger limits defined in Connex's contract, compared with just seven lines last year.

Passengers boarding at stations after Springvale must stand for up to 40 minutes to the city. The same occurs at stations along the Epping, Sydenham and Werribee lines.

The survey found that the Sydenham line registered the biggest increase, up by 25 per cent.
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#16938
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years, 1 Month ago  
Oscar wrote:
If you don't like sitting in traffic, why don't you get a bus to the train station, then get a train to where you're going?

You can't have everything, and I'd hardly call Main Rd a priority for grade separation.


Don't buses use the road network? If Olga sits in her car for 40 minutes getting to the Main Road Station, doesn't it also follow that she will also sit for 40 minutes in a bus?
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#17033
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/driving-down-the-road-of-congestion

"THE public relations campaign designed to create the environment in which Sir Rod Eddington's inquiry into the east-west tunnel link can be given a tick without creating too much public opposition is at full throttle.

Last week crikey.com reported that in mid-July a Macquarie Bank and Transurban consortium made a secret pitch to the former state treasurer John Brumby for a $3-$4 billion public-private partnership to build and operate a tolled east-west tunnel connecting the eastern suburbs, EastLinkand CityLink."


Sounds like the secret pitch was highly successful.

"But according to the report, "as the consortium knows, there is only minimal traffic that actually moves west to east and vice-versa. So to make the project viable, they set the condition for the PPP that at least four and up to eight exit ramps to the Melbourne CBD be allowed."

ANOTHER public - private partnership building ANOTHER unnecessary toll road? (remember ppp = profit profit profit)

Brumby can stick his toll roads up his cloaca.
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#17060
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22252609-2862,00.html

Sydenham line chaos

When the 7.55am city loop service from Sunshine arrived at Footscray yesterday, all six carriages were full but more than 100 people on the platform still tried to get onboard.

"The other morning this man decided he was getting on no matter what," she said.

"He just pushed his way on and caused a cascade of people to fall down. I was on the carriage and it hurt."

"There is often racial abuse when they ask people to move down.

"There are intoxicated people and people on drugs. It is not safe."
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#17061
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22252612-2862,00.html

Broadmeadows line shove

Roxburgh Park resident Susie Waugh's closest station to work is Melbourne Central.

"But I have to travel back to Parliament station at night just to try and get on the train," she said.

"It's already so packed by the time it gets to Melbourne Central that I have to let four or five go through before I am able to board."

see also:

Belgrave line reality http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22252611-2862,00.html

Geelong line fury http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22252608-2862,00.html

Others complained that the conductor demanded to see their tickets while they were sitting on the floor and argued they shouldn't have to pay.

Frankston line jammed http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22252610-2862,00.html

"You see people drinking on the train, stuff like that."

All aboard for chaos http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22251615-24218,00.html

Having chosen to use environmentally friendly public transport over petrol-guzzling motor cars, commuters are routinely rewarded with conditions that are, at best, uncomfortable and, possibly, unsafe.
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#17080
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
The train system is in chaos so he builds more roads
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22258580-661,00.html

MORE buses and road improvements are likely to form part of Premier John Brumby's immediate public transport fix.
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#17096
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
From the article:

Rail, Tram and Bus Union state secretary Trevor Dobbyn said more staff could be appointed swiftly to deal with the peak-hour crush.

"Connex simply don't have enough staff to cope with the increases in patronage," Mr Dobbyn said yesterday.

"More frontline staff are needed to provide assistance to people trying to get on and off crowded trains and to provide better security. Increasing staff on the train system is something the Government can do right now."

We need trains and infrastructure but Dobby's saying they'll put on more staff to ease the congestion?

I guess this is so that the staff can shove all the commuters in the train like they do in Japan.
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#17133
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/government-fines-rail-operators

"MELBOURNE suburban rail operator Connex has been fined almost $6 million for poor performance. This follows the record $10 million it was fined for the first quarter of the year."

I suppose they are applying for the contract to keep running the system.

I suppose Brumby will let them.
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#17153
Re:Fix the TRAINS 3 Years ago  
What did I tell you?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/connex-wins-extension

"The Premier ruled out the public transport network returning to public control, saying research from the dept of infrastructure said private operators would deliver the best outcome."

Golly gosh, imagine how it would be if the government still ran the system! I'm so proud the dept of infrastructure has got such eggheads working for it.

Q. How may people work for the dept of infrastructure?
A. Less than half of them.
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#1118299
Re:Fix the TRAINS 2 Years, 7 Months ago  
Talk about the Brumby government making the same announcement over and over again. The promised extension to the Epping line, so proudly put into VicUrban's development plans, has been mysteriously shelved.

Should be time to make a new announcement round about election time.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/new-railway-line-to-epping-disappears

"The Government's own developer has basically lied to the residents by promising a train line and then taking it away," Mr Barber said. "It might be affordable housing, but if you have to run three or even four cars to live in Aurora, there's nothing affordable about that."

Aurora was part of the Government's Melbourne 2030 plan to limit urban sprawl and link communities through rapid public transport and activity hubs.



Victorian Labor Party - Into the Future!
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#1118631
Re:Fix the TRAINS 2 Years, 6 Months ago  
this article says it all
http://www.theage.com.au/news/editorial/the-trains-wont-roll-but-heads-should/2008/03/01/1204227046662.html


The trains won't roll, but heads should



March 2, 2008


FOR most public transport users, those harassed commuters who catch peak-hour trains and trams, the system is cursed by lack of rolling stock. Passengers jam into carriages; thousands have to stand for all or most of their daily journey because the State Government cannot provide the service that its predecessors did half a century ago, when Flinders Street station was far busier than it is now.

The news today that Melbourne's overcrowded transport system also faces a ticketing disaster will not surprise most users. They have, after all, become resigned to what is a second-rate system compared to the best of those in Europe. But long-suffering commuters are entitled to be angry, because the much-vaunted new myki smartcard that should have already replaced the present crumbling Metcard system comes at a huge cost — and is no sure bet to be with us any time soon, nor to be any more reliable than the present system.

The Government is so worried about the new system's potential for disaster that it has prepared emergency plans to cope if it fails.

Secret briefings to Transport Minister Lynne Kosky, obtained by The Sunday Age through freedom of information, show that in 2007 she was warned of faults and delays in the new system. Last August Ms Kosky was told the new smartcard system was 15 months late — and that the old Metcard system was short of spare parts. Next day she was told the new system could also run over budget.

In these circumstances, uneasy lie the heads of highly paid public servants running the show. In this case, it is Vivian Miners who enjoys a $550,000 salary and who risks being made a scapegoat for what, under the Westminster system, is ultimately the State Government's responsibility.

It's true that Mr Miners might not come out of this smelling of roses, but Ms Kosky and Premier Brumby should not get away with hiding behind that.
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#1118798
Re:Fix the TRAINS 2 Years, 5 Months ago  
It just makes so much sense to put more rail down rather than build more freeways and tunnels....read on
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/leaving-the-city-choking-on-traffic-fumes/2008/03/16/1205602190303.html

Policies leave the city choking on traffic fumes


Jacky Fristacky
March 17, 2008


* Urban expansion a 'climate threat'
* Rob Moodie It's war on our roads and cars should not be the winners
* Letters Public transport is what we need


Building ever more roads is not the answer to growing congestion.

WITH EastLink due to open in the middle of this year, inner-city Melbourne will need to brace itself for the additional traffic that will hit the end of the Eastern Freeway.

Around 140,000 vehicles use the Eastern Freeway every day, and EastLink is expected to add more than 20%.

So where do these extra vehicles go? As 90% of Eastern Freeway traffic heads for the city centre and surrounding areas, the fight for exit spaces to the city will intensify dramatically.

Hoddle Street, Melbourne's busiest road, where 37% of cars and 35% of trucks leave the Eastern Freeway, will have to take even more, causing traffic snarls at intersections along its length.

Also, the influx of EastLink traffic into Smith and Brunswick streets will delay trams. Yarra Trams can forget its aim of increasing tram speeds along what are some of their busiest routes, including Swanston Street and Royal Parade.

All this is the result of outdated transport planning by the Government, which clings to the myth that congestion in a city the size of Melbourne can be resolved by freeways that move mostly sole-occupant vehicles. It is committing billions of dollars to projects that only worsen congestion.

EastLink, costing $4 billion, will take more cars into central Melbourne, causing more congestion. The $1 billion extension of the Monash Freeway and the projected $10 billion tunnel linking the Eastern and Tullamarine freeways will do the same.

Government advisers are misguided in thinking that building freeways will resolve congestion. It is now widely understood by urban planners that freeways through cities do not resolve traffic problems, but exacerbate congestion at intersections off freeways.

As architect and urbanist Lewis Mumford warned, trying to cure traffic congestion with more road capacity is like trying to cure obesity by loosening the belt.

The Government's faith in freeways also undermines public transport as tram and bus speeds decline on increasingly congested roads. It is worth noting that despite major increases in public transport use, 2006 census figures show that inner-city commuters are shunning slow trams and buses that share roads with cars, and are instead turning to walking and cycling.

Cycling in the City of Yarra accounts for nearly 10% of trips to work, and walking is even higher at 12%. And, according to Bicycle Victoria, in the two years since the 2006 census, cycling has increased by a massive 42%. Meanwhile, the use of buses for trips to work fell from 1.8% in 2001 to 1.4% in 2006 and tram use declined from 13.8% to 12.7%.

Yet train use continues to grow, increasing by 15% in the past 12 months. This is likely to continue and usage would be significantly greater if service levels and routes were expanded rather than restricted.

Yet another quaint policy stance by the State Government is that people should be encouraged to use the slower buses, rather than faster trains. This is like a trader trying to urge consumers to buy a black-and-white television when the demand is for plasma.

The reluctance to invest in new and fast rail lines is based on a second myth, that the provision of rail services is costly compared with building more road space. The reverse is the case. Economist John Hewson has recently highlighted the cost of building a freeway at $100 million a kilometre, which is 10 to 50 times more expensive than the rail equivalent.

Transport consultant and engineer Louis Fouvy says the cost of a road tunnel per kilometre is 2.5 to three times the cost of a rail tunnel of equivalent passenger-carrying capacity.

A third myth is that, compared with car use, the operating costs of public transport place a heavy burden on the budget. Yet the cost of hospital beds, deaths, accident repairs, emissions, pollution, and tax concessions for road transport are many times the annual operating costs of passenger transport. The cost of road collisions alone — $1.7 billion each year in Victoria — is more than the combined cost of running the train, tram and bus systems.

A fourth myth is that car transport is more efficient for cities. While one freeway lane can carry 2000 people an hour by car, a single rail line can transport up to 60,000 passengers an hour.

As far as energy is concerned, travel by car uses three to four times as much energy per person per kilometre as public transport travel. It is also more costly for users than travel by public transport and has inferior safety and health results. Australian Bureau of Statistics data for 2006 shows that the cost of car travel in Melbourne, at more than $130 a week, ranks with housing as a major household expenditure item.

The community is entitled to an explanation from Premier John Brumby about why it is being forced to fund billion-dollar road projects that exacerbate city congestion, impede tram priority and clash with federal targets to reduce emissions.

The community is also entitled to know why vital rail projects such as lines to Doncaster, South Morang, Mernda-Whittlesea, Wyndham Vale and Rowville are on the back burner when they offer far more cost-effective and sustainable travel. Ultimately they could all easily be paid for in lieu of the one projected road tunnel.

Jackie Fristacky is a City of Yarra councillor and deputy chairwoman of the Metropolitan Transport Forum.
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#1118893
Re:Fix the TRAINS 2 Years, 5 Months ago  
Train hits elderly man
Email Printer friendly version Normal font Large font Reko Rennie, Matthew Burgess
March 25, 2008 - 12:11PM

Breaking News - The Age

An elderly man has died after being hit by a train this morning in Melbourne's west.

Police confirmed a man was this morning killed at Forrest St, Ardeer.

Paramedics were called to Ardeer Railway Station just after 11am to a report a person had been hit by a train.

V/Line has confirmed the train involved was one of its services from Ballarat.

They arrived to find one person dead at the scene, a Metropolitan Ambulance Service spokesman said.
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#1118895
Re:Fix the TRAINS 2 Years, 5 Months ago  
Could these accidents be from the fact that trains have been running in both directions on the one track. It used to be that the left hand track was going away from town & the right hand coming into town. Now either is use in both directions
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